If The World Could Vote

[DragonTears]

November 4th 2008 the American people will choose a new president. The president of the United States of America is the most powerful person in the world.

We would like to know who would be the next president of the United States of America - if the world could vote!

In the presidential election in 2004 122,267,553 people voted. 6,500,000,000 people did not.

Our mission is to get more people to vote than voted in the last election. Mission impossible, we know, but still, wouldn't it be great to see what the whole world thinks?

If we are to have any chance of reaching that goal we need your help. Tell all your friends around the world about iftheworldcouldvote.com. You can send them email, share it on Facebook (we also have a group you can join), digg it, reddit, save to delicious ... Or all of it. So go ahead. Let's see who would be the next president of the United States of America - if the world could vote.


Cast Your Vote (http://www.iftheworldcouldvote.com/)

[Axe]

John Lennon

[Axe]

Wow cant believe how many votes come from Portugal, and Finland

[mage150]

Best part is, the republican machine already has electronic voting machines failing in West Virginia

[Outlaw Wyvern]

I can't vote... I'm from the US :(

Folks are saying Obama's got the Lincoln/Kennedy vibe.
Great for transformation, but potentially detrimental to his health.
You'd all be so disappointed by some of the grassroots assassination talk I hear from Joe Average on any day, lately.

I love America with all my HEART, but it hurts to be an American these last few years.

[DragonTears]

I can't vote... I'm from the US :(

There were votes from the US, why can't you vote ?

Folks are saying Obama's got the Lincoln/Kennedy vibe.
Great for transformation, but potentially detrimental to his health.
You'd all be so disappointed by some of the grassroots assassination talk I hear from Joe Average on any day, lately.

I have a friend in the US that has said the exact same thing. That if Obama is elected he will probably be assassinated soon after :(

[Outlaw Wyvern]

Sorry, dumb joke. I could vote in that if I wanted, but it'd be redundant since I'm voting for Obammie in real life.

[mage150]

As far as assassination goes, I gotta say that is why I am glad Joe Biden is a mirror image of the views of Obama. He can carry the torch if need be.

[Nettwerk van Helsing]

Who kills one, can also kill two...

Wow cant believe how many votes come from Portugal, and Finland
We - Portuguese - have too much free time on our hands.

[De Profundis]

You'd all be so disappointed by some of the grassroots assassination talk I hear from Joe Average on any day, lately.


I hear it all time. And I don't even live in the US.

[Johnny Blaze]

This year, I'm going against the grain of my beliefs and voting.

And I'm voting for Obama.

[Heron]

I just as often hear people saying that if McCain is elected that they hope he will die (because he's old) and have Palin take his place. I really don't like all this talk about death. People should be ashamed. I will not vote based on the vice presidential candidates, I don't care how much people hate the presidential nominees. I personally will vote for McCain. I don't agree with all of McCain's policies, but Obama is much too far to the left for my taste, and I don't like all that I hear about his association with certain people and organizations, who here will go unnamed. Don't want to start a political debate. :p

[mage150]

I just as often hear people saying that if McCain is elected that they hope he will die (because he's old) and have Palin take his place. I really don't like all this talk about death. People should be ashamed. I will not vote based on the vice presidential candidates, I don't care how much people hate the presidential nominees. I personally will vote for McCain. I don't agree with all of McCain's policies, but Obama is much too far to the left for my taste, and I don't like all that I hear about his association with certain people and organizations, who here will go unnamed. Don't want to start a political debate. :p

I won't start a debate with you but FYI you might want to dig a little deeper into your own research on who he associates with... 9/10 McCain has already associated WAY more or WAY more radically with the same people as Obama.

Major news sources are bad, very skewed and biased views.

[Johnny Blaze]

I find most of the arguments against voting for Obama are severely lacking in validity and are often perpetuated by Republicans desperate to scare up more votes for McCain.

The issue of Obama's inexperience brought up by Republicans is simply negated in the fact that Republicans voted twice for Bush, who had even less governmental experience in comparison. If experience was such a big deal as they make it - well, then they would have voted for Al Gore who was a Senator and spent 8 years as Vice President, instead of the Governor of Texas.

As for shady and questionable associations, McCain has plenty of his own.

If the War On Terror is to actually accomplish what it was intended to do, more troops must be sent to Afghanistan and in order to do that, troops must be removed from Iraq. The statistics on how many mentally unfit soldiers are being redeployed is mind blowing; almost 17% are currently on anti-psychotics and or anti-depressents, with relatively no hope offered by McCain and Palin regarding when they can come home.

McCain used to be someone to be admired; he was his own person. But, now? His only concern is winning the election at the expense of promoting what he can actually offer America as President, yet he can't even see how his negative campaigning is backfiring left and right. It is like he is back in Vietnam, refusing to admit defeat to his captors.

Like McCain himself, the United States has been a prisoner of war for at least 5 years. To Palin, pulling troops out of Iraq is the equivalent of surrending to the enemy. For some unholy reason, together they view continued occupation of Iraq as vital to the War On Terror when it has been and will continue to be counter-productive. They want us to believe that Obama is a Socialist one step removed from being a Communist Vietnamese General who will lock the U.S. up in a bamboo cage and cause Americans to be further terrorized.

It's beyond fucking ridiculous.

Palin is simply the equivalent of " Bush in a skirt " and should McCain become President and have a stroke, God help us all.

However, it will not come to that, because they are not going to be elected.

In contrast to the 2004 election, it is Republicans now who are afflicted with Lesser Evil Syndrome and this is fueling Obama's campaign with additional momentum.

You can bank on Obama being our next President.

[DragonTears]

Palin is simply the equivalent of " Bush in a skirt " and should McCain become President and have a stroke, God help us all.
I'm not big into politics, but I have been reading some of the news articles that have been coming out about Palin and I find it appalling that she is still a Governor! She acts like she is president herself.

[Johnny Blaze]

I'm not sure McCain could have chosen anymore poorly than he did.

[Axe]

You can bank on Obama being our next President.

I gona dump all my stocks and mutual funds into this! Looks like I could make a quick killing, then get out of town.

[Leper Messiah]

At least we'll not have to watch the election returns this year to know who won. On November 5, when you wake up. If there's dancing in the streets, Obama won. If there's rioting, McCain won and no amount of Werther's Originals candies will provide caramel relief for the nation's pain.

[Heron]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jpmryi87gQ&eurl=http://countusout.wordpress.com/2008/10/27/entire-sean-hannity-10-reasons-not-to-vote-for-obama-10262008/ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jpmryi87gQ&eurl=http://countusout.wordpress.com/2008/10/27/entire-sean-hannity-10-reasons-not-to-vote-for-obama-10262008/)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unsSXUrN5mY&eurl=http://countusout.wordpress.com/2008/10/27/entire-sean-hannity-10-reasons-not-to-vote-for-obama-10262008/ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unsSXUrN5mY&eurl=http://countusout.wordpress.com/2008/10/27/entire-sean-hannity-10-reasons-not-to-vote-for-obama-10262008/)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DahbhQuPI_4&eurl=http://countusout.wordpress.com/2008/10/27/entire-sean-hannity-10-reasons-not-to-vote-for-obama-10262008/ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DahbhQuPI_4&eurl=http://countusout.wordpress.com/2008/10/27/entire-sean-hannity-10-reasons-not-to-vote-for-obama-10262008/)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocgpQTAKN4M&eurl=http://countusout.wordpress.com/2008/10/27/entire-sean-hannity-10-reasons-not-to-vote-for-obama-10262008/ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocgpQTAKN4M&eurl=http://countusout.wordpress.com/2008/10/27/entire-sean-hannity-10-reasons-not-to-vote-for-obama-10262008/)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDtkQjTpOho&eurl=http://countusout.wordpress.com/2008/10/27/entire-sean-hannity-10-reasons-not-to-vote-for-obama-10262008/ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDtkQjTpOho&eurl=http://countusout.wordpress.com/2008/10/27/entire-sean-hannity-10-reasons-not-to-vote-for-obama-10262008/)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW7NYxFVcgw&eurl=http://countusout.wordpress.com/2008/10/27/entire-sean-hannity-10-reasons-not-to-vote-for-obama-10262008/ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW7NYxFVcgw&eurl=http://countusout.wordpress.com/2008/10/27/entire-sean-hannity-10-reasons-not-to-vote-for-obama-10262008/)

[Johnny Blaze]

I've heard all the lame ass reasons not to vote for Obama, so I won't be watching the above YouTube videos.

What I haven't heard are any worthwhile reasons to vote for McCain.

These two factors combined are precisely why McCain is going to lose in less than 36 hours.

I'm not here to campaign for Obama or to scare people away from voting for McCain.

I'm just here to spread awareness about the realities of this election, like I did here regarding the 2004 election.

[Leper Messiah]

Fox News? Really? Using Fox News has as much credibility as having Charles Manson as your character witness at a sanity hearing.

[Heron]

There's no need to get nasty. Besides, I <3 Hannity. Hes great. And FOX News is the closest to unbiased of any of the mainstream media stations.

What I haven't heard are any worthwhile reasons to vote for McCain.
http://townhall.com/columnists/MonaCharen/2008/10/31/top_ten_reasons_to_vote_for_mccainpalin

[Leper Messiah]

There's no need to get nasty. Besides, I <3 Hannity. Hes great. And FOX News is the closest to unbiased of any of the mainstream media stations.

WOW. Just... WOW.

Actually, there is a need to get a little nasty. The extremist right wing agenda, as exemplified by people like Hannity, have destroyed this country with their hate and greed. They are traitors in the purest sense of the world, putting their selfish lust for power and money above the needs for the country's welfare. Even my most Conservative friends realize Hannity is a racist and fearmonger, and that Fox News is the unapologetic voice of the right wing as much as MSNBC voices the left. They are EMBARRASSED by him. He is an affront to everything they actually stand for. Suggesting otherwise, much less worshipping a despicable, uneducated, slandering bigot says everything I need ever hear about you. My deepest sympathies to all those around you who have to listen to you, because I certainly don't have to.

[Heron]

WOW. Just... WOW.

Actually, there is a need to get a little nasty. The extremist right wing agenda, as exemplified by people like Hannity, have destroyed this country with their hate and greed. They are traitors in the purest sense of the world, putting their selfish lust for power and money above the needs for the country's welfare. Even my most Conservative friends realize Hannity is a racist and fearmonger, and that Fox News is the unapologetic voice of the right wing as much as MSNBC voices the left. They are EMBARRASSED by him. He is an affront to everything they actually stand for. Suggesting otherwise, much less worshipping a despicable, uneducated, slandering bigot says everything I need ever hear about you. My deepest sympathies to all those around you who have to listen to you, because I certainly don't have to.
... lol?

Yeah, if anyone dares voice their opinion they must be a racist hate-mongering traitor and a despicable, uneducated, slandering bigot. Hannity tells it like it is. He's not afraid to talk about the things that Obama and his media buddies don't want anyone to know. The truth hurts, and you are acting like a wounded dog. Your one of those people who thinks that people should only be given an opinion as long as it fits your liberal agenda, otherwise they should be fired and lose their rights as citizens of this country. That is why people like Obama support the fairness doctrine, so that only liberals have a voice. BTW, if you talk like this to conservatives, I highly doubt you have conservative friends.

[Heron]

P.S., Hannity is no more my messiah than Obama. I don't worship the man. I also love sunsets, I don't worship them either.

[Outlaw Wyvern]

I don't agree that FOX is unbiased.

I feel that Murdoch's people (and Rush and kin) use their media resources and voice to spread fear and divisiveness and actually take pride in subterfuge and misdirection.

This isn't a party line I'm spewing. It's what I've seen with my own senses.

I'm no fan of Obama, but... what's happened in the last eight years has destroyed the purity of my patriotism. It fucking A hurts.

[Outlaw Wyvern]

I'm just here to spread awareness about the realities of this election, like I did here regarding the 2004 election.

That made for some stormy times! Everyone was pissing everywhere and was heated up, to boot... so there was piss steam all over the place.
It wurn't purty.

It WAS fun, though.

Who was the fellow from South Carolina who was SO outspoken?

[Johnny Blaze]

Ah, yes.

Good times.

Who back then would have ever realized that I was encouraging Democrats and Independents here to get their shit together and put up some worthwhile arguments for why Kerry would have made a better president than Bush .....?

Conner, Spartacus, Suicide Blonde, etc ..... all they wanted to do was Bush bash.

They just couldn't grasp that type of onslaught only helped Bush get elected.

The shoe is on the other foot now.

Unfortunately, it seems Heron has two right feet.

[Johnny Blaze]

http://townhall.com/columnists/MonaCharen/2008/10/31/top_ten_reasons_to_vote_for_mccainpalin

Sorry, but I don't care to read what's behind the link.

Trust me, I've already heard it ALL in various other forums I participate in.

What you do seldom hear about is the redistribution of wealth going on in Alaska under Governor Palin, in which state income and sales taxes has been dispensed with in favor of increased taxation on oil revenues.

But, McCain & Palin have the balls to call Obama a Socialist?

John Stossel says, "Give me a fucking break."

Only the dumbest of politicians running for office tempt fate by opening Pandora's boxes and unleashing such blatantly ridiculous hipocrisies.

[Leper Messiah]

Yeah, if anyone dares voice their opinion they must be a racist hate-mongering traitor and a despicable, uneducated, slandering bigot. Hannity tells it like it is. He's not afraid to talk about the things that Obama and his media buddies don't want anyone to know. The truth hurts, and you are acting like a wounded dog. Your one of those people who thinks that people should only be given an opinion as long as it fits your liberal agenda, otherwise they should be fired and lose their rights as citizens of this country. That is why people like Obama support the fairness doctrine, so that only liberals have a voice. BTW, if you talk like this to conservatives, I highly doubt you have conservative friends.

Well played, in the manner of traditional Republican teet-suckling. Completely devoid of independent thinking, reciting the popular party talking points, dressing up opinion as fact, using attacks instead of pointing out one constructive argument. It's so well-recited, you could be governor of Alaska some day if you play your cards right.

But honestly, I'm so tired of your frustrated and petty agenda of hate, sexism, and racism, that I really just don't care a lick what you have to say. You and Hannity and Bill O'Reilly can shudder with rage and rattle your sabers at the rest of the world as much as you want. It means nothing. Your voices are tiny little farts in the wind. You are small, terrible people and the rest of the world is right to dislike and distrust you. Look at the map on this very thread. See any red? Oh, Albania? Congrats on your big score.

You have done a fine job in destroying not only our country but our relations with the rest of the world, but by all means, stand the line and go down guns blazing because it surely isn't your fault being in power for the last 8 years. Blame Obama and his kind for daring to suggest something is wrong with the policies of greed. Blame the liberals and accuse them of tax hikes! Blame the "liberal gotcha media" and continue to watch that impartial, "fair and balanced" reporting on Fox! Defend that war and accuse those who want to remove troops as being cowards and putting up the flag of surrender for conflict that should have never been initiated in the first place! Shake your fist in rage and try to bully people into line through fear and intimidation. It's not working. There's a reason the Republicans are being voted out. Now that you're losing, be sure to create ads that create fear about a "single party system" in a 100%-not-pathetic attempt to salvage some Senate seats.

The sad part is that whoever wins the election probably won't be able to reverse the downward spiral. The current Administration has screwed the country to the point that it will probably NEVER return to the prominence and prosperity it enjoyed under, that's right, that horrible liberal Bill Clinton. That's fine, all empires fall, but at least with someone like Obama there's hope to not be embarrassed by our country's leaders any more. I am about as proud of the US under Bush as the Germans are of the Third Reich. And of course, Hannity and his cronies don't want that. Hope undermines everything they do. Hope elevates people out of their despair rather than pushing them down into fear and dependence where they can be manipulated and controlled. Hope means admitting that the doctrines they supported blindly for the last 8 years were abject failures and for all their screaming nonsense they have been WRONG. And the one thing you will never get from a blowhard like Hannity or his ilk is an admission that they are wrong about anything.

So, by all means, support the status quo. Latch onto policies built around exploiting personal liberties for selfish gain rather than anything that proposes prosperity for your fellow man. Why would you want that? That might mean you can't have 7 houses and 11 cars when most people don't have one of either. Stand behind a man who voices his opinions to support tyranny and oppression, fear and hatred, racism and sexism. You can rattle your saber all you want and thump your chest like a mighty gorilla, but in the end, it's the hollow emptiness of one hand clapping. America is speaking and they aren't for you. America will be coming out in record numbers to show just how much they think of people like you and Hannity.

So feel free to respond. As the election results come in throughout the day, it will be more and more white noise. Shake your fist and grit your teeth. Attack Obama and those horrible "liberals" who want everyone to prosper, not just the upper 1%. Dismiss his policies as pie in the sky and impractical. Call his supporters horrible names and spread as many mistruths as you can. It's not working. Those "people" that you hate so much and are so afraid of are the MAJORITY. And they are using today to tell YOU where to stick it.

I leave you with the words of your hero, Sean Hannity, which summarizes my thoughts on our entire discussion as well as any future asinine responses you may have, to which I will not be responding. I've said my peace and I'm going to enjoy election day. You have taken enough of my time and energy, as have your close-minded friends over the last eight years.

“You're entitled to your opinion. I frankly don't really care what you have to say. It has very little impact on my life.”
-Sean Hannity

[Johnny Blaze]

Leper,

Your stereotyping of Heron is really starting to make my ass twitch and my balls itch.

He's a young dude who has a lot to learn about politics and how to differentiate FACT from DISINFORMATION, a process that is getting more difficult in this day and age because of the Internets.

I don't really know what your excuse is.

Nor do I care to find out.

[Heron]

I don't agree that FOX is unbiased.
Neither do I, I said that I think it is the least biased. Thats not quite the same thing. =)

Unfortunately, it seems Heron has two right feet.
I'll take two right feet over two left feet any day, ty. xD BTW, right now the vote is dead even, it could go either way.

Sorry, but I don't care to read what's behind the link.
o.O

What you do seldom hear about is the redistribution of wealth going on in Alaska under Governor Palin, in which state income and sales taxes has been dispensed with in favor of increased taxation on oil revenues.
Your right, I've never heard about that. Where do you get your info? If it had any validity, I'm sure the Obama camp would have already attacked it. *shrugs*

Only the dumbest of politicians running for office tempt fate by opening Pandora's boxes and unleashing such blatantly ridiculous hipocrisies.
I think Obama opened pandora's box by saying, "Its not that I want to punish your success, I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they've got the chance at success, too. I think that when you spread the wealth around, its good for everybody." That rings truer for me than your unsubstantiated accusations.

Ah well, tyvm Johnny for not hurtling insults anyway, at least.

I'm debating whether or not I should respond to what Leper said.. ah well I guess I will.

Well played, in the manner of traditional Republican teet-suckling. Completely devoid of independent thinking, reciting the popular party talking points, dressing up opinion as fact, using attacks instead of pointing out one constructive argument. It's so well-recited, you could be governor of Alaska some day if you play your cards right.
Devoid of independent thinking? I have spent a lot of time researching a lot of things. I come to my own conclusions. It sounds so much like the party talking points because I believe they are right. And I am sorry, but you are the one attacking, I am defending. Also, I would prefer to be the Governor of Colorado. ;)

But honestly, I'm so tired of your frustrated and petty agenda of hate, sexism, and racism, that I really just don't care a lick what you have to say.
I don't hate anyone, I am not a sexist, and I am not a racist. Same old liberal lies and accusations. "If you don't agree with us you are a racist, sexist hater!" I am sick and tired of every liberal running around calling everyone a racist if they voice any opposition to Obama.

You and Hannity and Bill O'Reilly can shudder with rage and rattle your sabers at the rest of the world as much as you want. It means nothing. Your voices are tiny little farts in the wind. You are small, terrible people and the rest of the world is right to dislike and distrust you.
lol... I don't rage. Everyone I know thinks I am one of the most mellow people they have ever met.

Look at the map on this very thread. See any red? Oh, Albania? Congrats on your big score.
Thank God the rest of the world can't vote for us, then. :p

You have done a fine job in destroying not only our country but our relations with the rest of the world, but by all means, stand the line and go down guns blazing because it surely isn't your fault being in power for the last 8 years.
We have not destroyed the country. Also, if he gets elected, the only ones blazing guns will be the citizen's militia that Obama wants. ;D

Blame Obama and his kind for daring to suggest something is wrong with the policies of greed. Blame the liberals and accuse them of tax hikes! Blame the "liberal gotcha media" and continue to watch that impartial, "fair and balanced" reporting on Fox! Defend that war and accuse those who want to remove troops as being cowards and putting up the flag of surrender for conflict that should have never been initiated in the first place! Shake your fist in rage and try to bully people into line through fear and intimidation. It's not working.
I don't care if Obama thinks something is wrong with the system. I care that his ideas to "fix" it will quite possibly destroy it. BTW, Obama's tax plans will raise taxes. And his plans will add a trillion dollars to our deficit. And again, I did not call FOX News impartial. I said it was the most impartial. Yeah, it leans conservative. Not as much as the others lean the other way. I do NOT think that people who want to remove troops from Iraq are cowards. I DO think that anyone who wants to do it in a way that will hurt Iraq are fools. The Iraqis want the U.S. troops out. So do I. The arguement isn't whether to do it but how. I am not trying to bully anyone. I am simply stating my opinions. Sorry if believing something that you don't steps on your toes. Wait, no, I'm not. Also, the way I see it, the liberals are the ones bullying people. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOtGllNk2Gk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOtGllNk2Gk)

There's a reason the Republicans are being voted out. Now that you're losing, be sure to create ads that create fear about a "single party system" in a 100%-not-pathetic attempt to salvage some Senate seats.
Yeah, because the liberal media has demonized Bush for the last 8 years. “Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it”. (Adolf Hitler)

If a single-party system scares people, there is a good reason. Dems controlling every check and balance will pass every single extremist liberal agenda item on the list. Also, we aren't losing. Its dead even right now. Could go either way. We shall see. I personally will dance outside if McCain wins, but I won't riot if he loses like the Obama supporters will if he loses. ;) At least, as Johnny Blaze tells it. *shrugs*

The sad part is that whoever wins the election probably won't be able to reverse the downward spiral. The current Administration has screwed the country to the point that it will probably NEVER return to the prominence and prosperity it enjoyed under, that's right, that horrible liberal Bill Clinton.
Pfft, its really more of an international spiral. Has nothing to do with the president. Stop blaming Bush's economic policies for the economic downturn. Its not just us, its the whole planet.

That's fine, all empires fall, but at least with someone like Obama there's hope to not be embarrassed by our country's leaders any more.
I will be embarrassed of Obama. I already am embarrassed that a man like him calls himself a christian. Real christians don't mock the Bible.

I am about as proud of the US under Bush as the Germans are of the Third Reich.
lol, Bush is nothing like Hitler.

And of course, Hannity and his cronies don't want that. Hope undermines everything they do. Hope elevates people out of their despair rather than pushing them down into fear and dependence where they can be manipulated and controlled. Hope means admitting that the doctrines they supported blindly for the last 8 years were abject failures and for all their screaming nonsense they have been WRONG. And the one thing you will never get from a blowhard like Hannity or his ilk is an admission that they are wrong about anything.
Thats because they are right.

So, by all means, support the status quo. Latch onto policies built around exploiting personal liberties for selfish gain rather than anything that proposes prosperity for your fellow man. Why would you want that?
Yeah, I don't want to support socialism. I wouldn't want that, I don't want that, and I will never want that, no matter how much you dress it up.

That might mean you can't have 7 houses and 11 cars when most people don't have one of either.
Stop ripping on McCain because he's rich. Obama is also rich. Hes a millionaire. And he won't even help his own poverty-stricken family. And I can't have 7 houses and 11 cars, because I don't have either.

Stand behind a man who voices his opinions to support tyranny and oppression, fear and hatred, racism and sexism.
You are just a broken record now. Stop spreading your lies.

You can rattle your saber all you want and thump your chest like a mighty gorilla, but in the end, it's the hollow emptiness of one hand clapping. America is speaking and they aren't for you. America will be coming out in record numbers to show just how much they think of people like you and Hannity.
We will see. In a few hours the debate will all be over. ;)

[Heron]

So feel free to respond. As the election results come in throughout the day, it will be more and more white noise. Shake your fist and grit your teeth. Attack Obama and those horrible "liberals" who want everyone to prosper, not just the upper 1%.
He wants to give all the money of the people who work hard, through blood sweat and tears raise above the poor masses, and try to make somethig of themselves, and give it to people who don't even pay income taxes. This isn't the upper 1%. This is the middle class. He's a socialist. As far as I am concerned, if someone doesn't want to put in the effort, they don't deserve the money. They don't deserve to prosper. People should give money to the poor, but they shouldn't be forced to. Its just governmentalizing things where the government should not be involved.

Dismiss his policies as pie in the sky and impractical. Call his supporters horrible names and spread as many mistruths as you can. It's not working. Those "people" that you hate so much and are so afraid of are the MAJORITY. And they are using today to tell YOU where to stick it.
lol... Excuse me, but you are the one throwing around horrible names. You are the one spreading lies and hate. I don't hate people for having an opinion, I'm not the one going around calling people racist and sexist, and traitors just because they don't have the same opinions as you. FYI my best friend is an extremist liberal, and a pegan, and we agree to disagree. I am not afraid of anything. So, by all means continue going around telling conservatives to "stick it." I hope people will see where the real hate is.

I leave you with the words of your hero, Sean Hannity, which summarizes my thoughts on our entire discussion as well as any future asinine responses you may have, to which I will not be responding. I've said my peace and I'm going to enjoy election day. You have taken enough of my time and energy, as have your close-minded friends over the last eight years.

“You're entitled to your opinion. I frankly don't really care what you have to say. It has very little impact on my life.”
-Sean Hannity
You've made your opinion quite clear, and not without a great amount of cynicism and name calling. I will hold you to your word, that you will not respond. Frankly, I am sick of hearing it. Ah, no more being called a racist because I don't agree with Obama. Music to my ears. I also don't need to end this post with an Obama quote, because they are already in my sig. Feel free to read them. Of course you won't.

P.S. All this stuff I'm saying is my opinion, not necissarily fact. I'm not trying to present things as fact that are really my opinion.

[Nettwerk van Helsing]

lol, Bush is nothing like Hitler.
You're right; Bush's more idiot than Hitler ever was.

Well, and apparently it's (almost) official: Obama wins. Let the ranting begin ;)

[Johnny Blaze]

Heron,

"redistribution of wealth in Alaska under Governor Palin"

is only unsubstantiated to you because you are not familiar with the facts, which are available to everyone with access to the Internets.

http://mccainfactcheck.com/facts/11/palin_windfall_profits_tax_344511.shtml

Did Palin impose a windfall profits tax on Alaskan oil?

Yes. Alaskans will receive $1,200 each from the windfall tax, in addition to $2,069 they will receive from other oil taxes.

While Obama and McCain debate a windfall tax on oil companies - Obama in favor, McCain opposed - Palin has already imposed a windfall oil profits tax in Alaska.

In 2007 Palin pushed for and enacted a major increase in state oil taxes - a step that has generated stunning new revenues for Alaska as oil prices have soared. The Alaska Oil and Gas Association estimates the state collected $6 billion from Palin-imposed windfall taxes during the fiscal year that ended on June 30, 2008. Combined with other new and existing oil taxes, as well as royalties, the state's total oil revenue in the last fiscal year exceeded $10 billion - double the amount the state received the previous fiscal year. [1]

Palin's windfall tax will fund a $1,200 "rebate" that Alaska will give to every eligible man, woman and child in Alaska, to help offset soaring fuel prices. That money will be dispersed as part of larger, $3,269 check that Alaskans will receive that was paid for by state taxes on oil companies - a family of four will receive a check for $13,076. The fuel rebates will cost the state $750 million. [1-3]

Background:

In October 2007 Palin rolled out a tax increase plan on oil companies operating in Alaska, including a windfall profits tax. Palin's plan, called the "Alaska's Clear and Equitable Share" (ACES) plan, was approved by the state Legislature and includes:


Raising the state's current net profits tax on North Slope oil from a 22.5% to 25.0% base.

A "progressive" windfall profits tax: When oil prices rise above about $50 a barrel, the tax rate increases by 0.2% for each additional dollar a barrel.

A 10% tax floor on North Slope oil, to kick in if prices go below about $40 a barrel. [4]

Palin in November 2007, on her ACES tax hike:


"The state of Alaska is currently the largest investor on the North Slope, having paid for 50 percent of all investments in 2007. Yet our share of net revenue, including royalties, property and corporate income tax, was about 40 percent. The "equitable share" component in ACES narrows this gap...

"One of the key knobs in my plan is the progressiveness knob. Progressiveness is the additional share we capture when oil prices and profits are high...

"The reality is we are a state very rich in natural resources. Currently, we do not receive fair value for our resources as they're extracted and sold for us, at a premium, to very hungry markets. My administration and the 25th State Legislature have an opportunity to build a tax structure that is clear and equitable. That's what we get with ACES." [5]
On September 5th, 2008 Alaska's Lieutenant Governor Sean Parnell announced the $3,269 check that every eligible man, woman and child in Alaska will receive, which includes the $1,200 windfall profit rebate Palin backed and was approved the previous month. Parnell on the $1,200 windfall profit rebate:

"The royalty dollars that flow through the state are the people's wealth. The $1,200 resource rebate goes to that philosophy." [2]

Palin's oil tax increase is part of a larger global trend. High energy prices and the industry's difficulty in finding giant new oil fields has emboldened many nations, including market-friendly United Kingdom, home to oil giants BP and Royal Dutch Shell, to raise oil taxes and royalty payments in recent years. [1]

And there you have it.

Redistribution of Wealth perpetuated by 1 out of 2 Politicians who both attempted to brand a 3rd Politician as a Socialist.

[Johnny Blaze]

Heron,

The reason why Obama did not use this information as a weapon is because it would have been cause for him to halt the momentum of his campaign to defend the concept of Redistribution of Wealth, which would have also resulted in defending Palin's policies.

What Nobamaists, WingNutz and hardcore Republicans fail to comprehend is that when push comes to shove, only the wealthy have the resources to keep the Economy afloat.

You can't raise taxes on 9 Million legitimately unemployed people, nor the poor and especially those who have lost their homes to foreclosures.

We have over a $1 Trillion dollar deficit at the moment, largely due in part to doling out $10 Billion per month for mostly just policing Iraq while losing the War On Terror in Afghanistan.

Compounding the above is now we are forking out $100's of Billions to rescue failing investment companies as of late.

We are actually borrowing money we don't have to pay for the above. With borrowed money comes paying Interest.

We wouldn't be in a position in which the wealthy would be asked or required to pay in a greater share of taxes if not for the aforementioned factors.

In a normal situation, there is no need to raise taxes on any one particular sector of the population.

This is not a normal situation.

If I made a comfortable living, I'd gladly pay more taxes myself.

[Johnny Blaze]

To me, money not in my pocket is not money I can lay claim to and taxation is the Federal Government's way of generating revenue.

What I have in my pocket at the end of the day and what the Fed has in its pocket at the end of the day are both accomplishments independent of one another.

Once you start down the path of claiming ownership of those tax dollars, you start claiming you are entitled to this and that and are likely to jump into the Political Arena with the determination to influence how that money is spent.

You lose yourself in your own self made delusion that other people are cheating you out of money that is rightfully yours, while other people are benefiting from money that is rightfully yours.

The bottom line becomes, you waste time and energy more productively spent securing additional income for yourself to make up for that supposed shortage in your wallet.

The more income you make, the less need the Fed has to raise your tax rate and the greater likelihood your current tax rate can be lowered.

If millions of households stopped bitching about the prospect of increased taxes and pouring ungodly amounts of resources ( time, energy, labor, money, focus ) into manipulating how the Fed spends and what it spends towards via the Political Arena ...

... then we would actually have a Fed without a need for increasing taxes and a greater potential of decreased taxation across the board for everyone.

You ask me how and I'll tell you how.

[Heron]

Well, congrats to the Obamites. I still don't agree with Obama. Politics will always be partisan. We shall all see what happens when Obama becomes president. I can't tell the future, but I don't trust that anything great will come from this term. Who knows. Thanks for all the info, Johnny Blaze, but now that the election is over I don't want to think about politics for a while. lol =) Chuck Norris for president 2012! xD

Hmm, actually I will say 1 thing. I don't think this looks very good for the economy. I don't understand why Obama wants to bankrupt the coal industry. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdi4onAQBWQ&eurl=http://www.onenewsnow.com/Blog/Default.aspx?id=308558

[Outlaw Wyvern]

Your stereotyping of Heron is really starting to make my ass twitch and my balls itch.

PICTURES!!!

WTF're you waiting for?

....bet yer gonna leave us hangin' again.
:(

[Johnny Blaze]

Hmm, actually I will say 1 thing. I don't think this looks very good for the economy. I don't understand why Obama wants to bankrupt the coal industry.

Amazing that this interview ( which I believe occured back in January 08 ) ...
... but suddenly "conveniently" gained a lot of press in the week prior to the Election,
didn't scare all them coal mining Virginians into voting for McCain at the last minute in that there Battleround State.

Probably because Obama doesn't want to bankrupt the coal industry, but rather wants it to be pushed it into becoming a "cleaner coal industry" via raised environmental standards.

Heron ... my advice is to just give up with the knee jerk regurtitations of what you read and hear.

Factcheckmate

[Johnny Blaze]

PICTURES!!!

WTF're you waiting for?

....bet yer gonna leave us hangin' again.
:(


I try but my shoulders cramp up when twisting to aim the camera at such quirky angles.

[Heron]

Probably because Obama doesn't want to bankrupt the coal industry, but rather wants it to be pushed it into becoming a "cleaner coal industry" via raised environmental standards.
Even though he himself says that it will bankrupt them? "If somebody wants to build a coal powered plant they can, its just that it will bankrupt them, because they are going to be charged (read I am going to charge them) a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas thats being emitted." Its not really a kneejerk regurgitation, its something worth discussion. I don't know why it was not released sooner, but now that it is out there, I don't see why people can't talk about it. This could quite potentially cause people's electric bills to skyrocket, because almost half of the electricity in this country comes from coal power. Tell me again, how does this help families struggling with their income? I was also not aware that I would need to do fact checks to post a comment regarding something someone said. He himself said that the policy he wants to implement will bankrupt them, I said I don't understand why he wants to bankrupt them and that it wouldn't help the economy. But, whatever. I think there should be better ways to clean up the coal industry than to impose such heavy fines on them that they can't stay afloat.

my ass twitch and my balls itch.
Thanks for the horrifying mental picture. >.> lol

[Johnny Blaze]

You are implying that he WANTS to bankrupt the coal industry.

You are simply regurgitating a skear tactic, while the comments Obama made were quite awhile ago.

Obviously, if he received the popular vote in Virginia, the families involved in the coal mining industry there weren't skeared into believing that he WANTED to do this or that this heavy fining could become a reality.

I'm suggesting you do factchecks to get the whole background story on the info pieces you keep relaying. Don't just snatch pebbles from the hands of Master WingNutz, Grasshopper. Dig deep, eat earth, away with you now Old Man Willow.

Unless, your primary objective is to seed doubt and distrust of him.

If that be the case, then carry on ..... but know and ye be forewarned that perpetuating skewed and distorted versions of the truth about Obama will only yield a 2010 Obama win.

[Outlaw Wyvern]

2010 ... tee hee! (maybe running for some local office after "the scandal"...)

[Gelbawt]

*Revised...*

I'm really sorry guys, if that "funny" picture was in fact malicious. To see a picture link change like that was suspicious to say the least. I ran Spybot, which cleared a dialer off my computer. If my link was in fact the source, and anyone else clicked it, please run a malware cleaner.

*sigh*

[Johnny Blaze]

2010 ... tee hee! (maybe running for some local office after "the scandal"...)

Tell me about it.

http://harrrstarboard.com/images/mypussyissohot.gif

[Outlaw Wyvern]

Don't sweat it, G-bawt.
I'm on a Mac...
Alls I sawr was a tiny picture of a logo or something.

[Heron]

You are simply regurgitating a skear tactic, while the comments Obama made were quite awhile ago.
Who am I trying to scare? The election is over.

If that be the case, then carry on ..... but know and ye be forewarned that perpetuating skewed and distorted versions of the truth about Obama will only yield a 2010 Obama win.
I am not trying to seed doubt and distrust, I am simply saying that I doubt and distrust him. I am not that concerned as to whether my opinion influences someone else's. It is possible for someone to say something without trying to change other people's minds.

BTW, I don't know if that is necessarily true, the perpetuating skewed and distorted versions of the truth sure worked in making people hate president Bush ;), to the extent that reporters openly stated that they don't think any republican could have won the election no matter who it was. It could work in reverse, if people wanted to do it. lol. At any rate, meh! -_-

...he WANTS to bankrupt the coal industry...
I am not saying that he WANTS to, I don't know whether he does or not. I am simply trying to say that I think that this idea of his, that he came up with at an irrelevent section of history, throws caution to the wind and that the collateral damage from it could be too great, if he chooses to pursue it as stated. I say irrelevent section of history, because when he said it doesn't matter. =D

Also, "Office of the president elect?" lol xD Did anyone else see that? Thats funny. =p